September 27, 2023
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“Think about [AI as] the world’s biggest undertaking supervisor that’s built-in into each group, and it is aware of all the perfect practices from all the pieces, and it is aware of the context of the precise undertaking you’re engaged on. And which means you possibly can let go of plenty of issues that trigger continuous partial consideration dysfunction.”

— Dustin Moskovitz

Dustin Moskovitz (@moskov) is co-founder and CEO at Asana, a number one work-management platform for groups. Asana’s mission is to assist humanity thrive by enabling all groups to work collectively effortlessly. Previous to Asana, he co-founded Fb and was a key chief throughout the technical employees, first within the place of CTO after which later as VP of Engineering. Dustin attended Harvard College as an economics main for 2 years earlier than shifting to Palo Alto, California, to work full time at Fb.

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#686: Dustin Moskovitz, Co-Founding father of Asana and Fb — Power Administration, Teaching for Endurance, No Assembly Wednesdays, Understanding the Actual Dangers of AI, Embracing Frictionless Work with AI, The Worth of Holding Tales Loosely, and Extra

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  • Join with Dustin Moskovitz:



  • [08:17] The Again Buddy.
  • [12:38] A consumer’s information to Dustin.
  • [15:49] Teaching for endurance.
  • [18:43] Making faster choices.
  • [20:45] Avoiding paradox of selection.
  • [23:20] Tough however fascinating delegation.
  • [25:08] The time-saving spreadsheet.
  • [29:12] No Assembly Wednesdays.
  • [33:34] Weekly structure.
  • [35:33] Why Dustin prefers in-person conferences.
  • [36:55] The 15 Commitments to Aware Management.
  • [40:55] Working with Diana Chapman.
  • [45:10] Clearing conversations.
  • [48:09] Nonviolent Communication.
  • [49:43] Really feel your emotions.
  • [51:10] The Starting of Infinity.
  • [53:50] Efficient altruism.
  • [1:00:43] On being directionally vegetarian.
  • [1:02:32] Funding future pandemic preparation.
  • [1:07:33] AI dangers and Yuddites.
  • [1:13:43] Most promising avenues of AI protection.
  • [1:17:19] Incentivizing AI security compliance.
  • [1:19:12] Additional AI threats.
  • [1:23:21] What the AI-amplified decade forward would possibly appear like.
  • [1:28:59] Asana’s forthcoming AI integrations.
  • [1:37:04] Blocking private time.
  • [1:40:41] Really helpful studying.
  • [1:43:14] Dustin’s billboard.
  • [1:47:46] Parting ideas.


“The factor that’s most definitely to close off the computer systems is the people. And so when you’ve got a sufficiently highly effective system that has gathered sufficient sources, it would resolve to comprise that risk simply as a part of reaching another aim, which perhaps we gave it within the first place.”

— Dustin Moskovitz

“This factor sounds human as a result of it’s a language mannequin and it’s meant to sound as human as doable. We’ve requested it to maximise that aim in itself, however it isn’t human. It is vitally alien-like beneath the floor. We don’t know the way it works and we are able to’t even get it to do some easy constraints like not threaten to kill the tip consumer in a chat script or not give the recipe for napalm in the event you coax it out in the proper approach.”

— Dustin Moskovitz

“Think about [AI as] the world’s biggest undertaking supervisor that’s built-in into each group, and it is aware of all the perfect practices from all the pieces, and it is aware of the context of the precise undertaking you’re engaged on. And which means you possibly can let go of plenty of issues that trigger continuous partial consideration dysfunction.”

— Dustin Moskovitz

“A part of the explanation we constructed Asana is folks carry round their job record of their heads, or it’s of their e mail inbox, and so they’re rescanning their e mail inbox on a regular basis. And if you will get it right into a system that you simply belief to point out you these issues on the proper time or sending you reminders on the proper time, you possibly can let go of it within the lively reminiscence and get more room for presence. And I feel AI could be doing this at a a lot larger degree of abstraction for total groups and full corporations.”

— Dustin Moskovitz


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